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Is The Army of The Light exclusive to draenei?


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#21 Sitra

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Posted 17 November 2018 - 01:04 AM

If the lore is subjective depending on who interprets it, how can we have a cohesive roleplay and agree on...anything?

 

That's the beauty of it - we don't have to agree. When you play on a server without an established canon where everyone can be who they want, you won't have cohesive roleplay. And it's okay. Establish a phase with a specified canon to fix this, and roleplay with people that share your view on things, or are able to accept it.

 

Sure, a faction description says they allow other survivors in - but do we see them anywhere? Are they named, mention anywhere else other than one sentence? Does it specifically mention races of Azeroth are allowed to bear the title? No, not really, it's terribly vague and I do believe Blizzard's lore writing is as cohesive as a four year old's story about going to Disneyland. It's incomplete, it lacks support, and I personally don't see it as an enough reason to say "Turalyon can tell my paladin he can join the Army of Light" - I see it as enough of a reason to see what happens in the future though, and wait for it to be fleshed out until I am given a definite answer. Until then, I will go by what has more support in the actual in-game representation.

 

(Also because, what other survivors could the description possibly be referring to?)

I don't entirely concern myself with "possibly" - I like to see things and read on them. To explain further.

  1. The army takes in survivors of the Burning Legion's assaults.
    1. The army happens to be consisting of draenei, 2 humans and 1 dreadlord at the present time, including the survivors.
    2. The survivors are there but you can never see them, so just assume they're there.

Can you, yourself, choose to believe in the second option? Absolutely, more power and opportunity to you. The argument that races of Azeroth are said survivors is, to me, too vague to take at face value, and I've yet to see it confirmed, so until it is I am going with the first one.

 

If the artwork released by Blizzard further supports this version of the lore by including dwarves, gnomes and the such among the ranks of the Army of the Light, then all the better. As for in-game representation, Turalyon leads a mix of Lightforged Draenei and Human Paladins in Stromgarde, it's not concrete evidence for anything (and it rarely is with anything when talking Blizzard), but I thought it was worth mentioning.

 

Alternatively, the artwork presents the adventurer / player character fighting alongside the Army of Light. Turalyon is still one of the original five first paladins, so no wonder he's leading paladins into battle, especially now that Army of Light is a part of the Alliance.

 

We can go in circles about how we perceive this case, really, but I do believe I've already said all that I had to say on the matter. 


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Posted 17 November 2018 - 04:53 AM

I think we also need to talk about how that if you are Lightforged, you went through the ritual (that only the Army of the Light know how to do and can preform) and not slipping into the sunwell. To be Lightforged you have had to have done the ritual.

Aelsinthar is not lightforged. He's just clumsy. Also, he has a new character and is ban evading again.

Look out for his other discord, Estabond.
 

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Posted 17 November 2018 - 07:59 AM

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Posted 17 November 2018 - 08:26 AM

Bro it's simple, if you wanna be a Lightforged, be the deadass Lightforged Draenei race that blizz gave us. Otherwise be a paladin with whatever snowflake race you want. I don't see Lightforged gnomes on my character creation screen. Army of the Light can have allies, but from what I've played on retail, every Army of the Light npc is a lightforged draenei excluding Turalyon and the literal Lightforged Nathrezim. Thanks.


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Posted 17 November 2018 - 10:14 AM

Are they named, mention anywhere else other than one sentence? Does it specifically mention races of Azeroth are allowed to bear the title? No, not really
 

Why does it need to be for it to be canon?

 

it's terribly vague and I do believe Blizzard's lore writing is as cohesive as a four year old's story about going to Disneyland.

Totally, we can agree on that. Still, the faction description is both very canon and very explicit about how open the Army of the Light is.

 

the artwork presents the adventurer / player character

Not really, the artwork presents Alleria and Turalyon at the head of an army composed of two Draenei, a gnome, a night elf, an orc, a blood elf and two humans. There is also a Tauren in the back.

 

Official artwork for the Army of the Light: https://d1u5p3l4wpay...e_Light_7.3.jpg

 

We can go in circles about how we perceive this case

I'm not making my argument based on how I perceive it, I'm simply stating the lore given to us by Blizzard to answer the OP's question and I'm not interpreting it in my own way.


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#26 Illarian

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Posted 17 November 2018 - 10:20 AM

I think we can close this debate with this article written by Anne Stickney, an author at Blizzard who wrote a Roleplay guide about creating a character in the Army of the Light. You can read it in full here: https://blizzardwatc...ber-army-light/

I'll just highlight some of the points:

 

Realistically, you can choose any race to be a member of that Grand Army. After all, Turalyon and Alleria joined the Army and have been fighting along with the rest of the Lightforged for quite some time. It’s not too preposterous to assume that other races were called to do the same. 

 

 

 

A Draenei is the most logical choice for a member of the Army of the Light. But if you’re choosing one of Azeroth’s native races, you’ll want to determine how your character came in contact with the group. Presumably they had some kind of deep connection to the Light. 

 

Reiterating the point I made earlier: The Army of the Light is definitely not exclusive to Draenei.


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Posted 17 November 2018 - 01:33 PM

12 yrs n still amazed to see what people will choose to argue over

 

just .create phase your own interpretation of canon n call it a day ty, the canon-jerking over warcraft, a setting that's been micro-retconned so many times i'm still catching up on it all with 3 volumes of chronicle, is not worth it and i think we can all agree you can probably do better things with your time, like actually rp


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Posted 17 November 2018 - 02:24 PM

i don't know what this discussion about subjective interpretation is, it has always been in the lore that the army of the light is non-exclusive; as it stands, especially in our timeline, the army of the light is compromised predominantly of the lightforged but it's not like there are any real restrictions on it as a whole -- yrel converted, through force, all of draenor to the light to be a part of the army while in our timeline anduin even had weird dreams of the army of the light including all the races of azeroth (including dragons). it was never written to be a solely draenei faction, it just stands at the moments we arrive on argus that that was the case... since no one else really had contact with them


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Posted 17 November 2018 - 02:32 PM

involving such a prominent character in your backstory (again, in my opinion) smells.

 

this isn't really as much of a problem as you think it is either; blizzard gave us lightforged draenei knowing they would have close ties to turalyon and alleria as well xe'ra, blood knights who had to have direct contact with m'uru until the sunwell was restored, etc... it's not really quite that overblown to have been influenced by these characters in some way


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Posted 19 November 2018 - 03:51 AM

There's lore, and then there's "it doesn't say so in lore, but I think it's possible so I will do it". Two different opinions, two different preferences of RP, none of which are by definition wrong because RP is about making stories. I just happen to like mine written within the established boundaries of the universum.


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Posted 19 November 2018 - 10:46 PM

I've always personally felt that you don't have to be part of the bulwark that went to Argus and a Lightforged to be considered one of the Army of the Light. The purpose of the organization is to fight the Legion, right? So, what would stop other, exotic alien races, perhaps even those who somehow were misplaced from Azeroth to carry the mantle as members of the army on some far-off world, fighting the good fight as resistence? Just food for thought.


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Posted 23 December 2018 - 04:39 AM

I mean it is 100% made by draenei who became lightforged. The lightforged went through really tough trials to become who they are and I’m not sure other people could easily survive the trial. Nothing in lore says other races are not allowed to join, but we only have one example of major major major lore characters who are part of it.
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#33 Illarian

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 10:20 AM

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> Blizzard author goes out of her way to point out that everyone can join The Army of the Light

> People keep insisting that it's Draenei-exclusive

> Mfw


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Posted 01 February 2019 - 05:44 AM

yall have played bfa right?

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Purified

 

 

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> Blizzard author goes out of her way to point out that everyone can join The Army of the Light

> People keep insisting that it's Draenei-exclusive

> Mfw

 
Basically. I feel like this applies more to pre-BfA Army of the Light but it's demonstrably the case that the current iteration of the Army isn't racially exclusive. EXCLUSIVE. That's the keyword here. There's no evidence you'll be excluded from the Army for being a Dwarf, it's just that prior to the arrival of the Lightforged on Azeroth there wasn't an abundance of Dwarves in the Nether. 
 
In WoW MU you have the Purified and in AU Draenor you have the Lightbound. Their focus is the Light's dominion; The Army of the Light isn't a Draenei cultural club it just happens to be that the first and most persistent survivors of Legion were Draenei. 
 
 
 

this isn't really as much of a problem as you think it is either; blizzard gave us lightforged draenei knowing they would have close ties to turalyon and alleria as well xe'ra, blood knights who had to have direct contact with m'uru until the sunwell was restored, etc... it's not really quite that overblown to have been influenced by these characters in some way

 
 
There's a special RPer aversion to including lore characters in you character's background that's actually absurd in some cases. At the end of The Rise of the Horde, Velen basically handpicks Draenei that'd come with him to hide in Zangarmarsh. If you're a Draenei shaman you've probably met or even studied under Nobundo. Sometimes it makes sense and is necessary for your character to have met or interacted with a lore character. It'd be really interesting to explore the motivations behind joining what's pretty much a pan-racial Light-supremacist organization post-Legion. 


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:48 PM

people are still talking about what could have been answered in a sentence

 

no it isn't exclusive to draenei



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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:11 PM

Wowpedia with source: Faction description

"The Grand Army of the Light, also called the Golden Army, the Army of Light, and the Lightforged,[5] is a faction of enlightened races that the naaru said would one day combat the ravages of the Burning Legion. After the fall of Argus, the draenei's finest warriors followed the prime naaru Xe'ra across the cosmos in an eternal war to bring about the Legion's end. Since then, other survivors of the Burning Crusade have joined the ranks of the Lightforged.[1]"

So go be a void elf in the army of light, have sex with a lightforged and give birth to a voidforged or a loivht elf or whatever.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:36 PM

hey welcome back darkshade